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当你构建开源项目时，你知道，人们可以直接拿走
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整个代码库并据此创造新的东西。
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这就是常态。
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当门罗币这么做的时候，你对他们有任何恼怒或不满吗
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因为这么做？
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也许你觉得自己没有得到应有的认可。
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好问题。
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这是个好问题。
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问题是，公司内部有很多矛盾，因为我们作为
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开发者，
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整个团队，因为我不是一个人开发这个脚本，还有其他
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人。
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在发布时我更像是主导开发者，但还有其他
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人。
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实际上比我更加有天赋。
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我们还与公司管理层进行了相当激烈的讨论，
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因为我们不喜欢他们所走的方向。
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我们试图解释开源的特定运作机制，
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开源是如何运作的。
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我们努力解释这一点。
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如果你用非常愚蠢的方式发布代码，会有人接管整个项目。
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他们会重新发布，拿走开源代码和技术，按
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他们认为公平的方式来运营。
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大多数人会转向这个新项目，因为事实就是如此。
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事实确实如此。
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当事情发生时，我觉得原团队内部的人并不惊讶，
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original team.
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这正是我们所预料到的。
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而我不喜欢的，是几个月后我开始自己做项目时，
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事情变得非常难看。
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门罗币领导者与我之间的对立开始激烈起来。
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他们知道我来自原始的Badcoin团队，
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这就像互联网常见的情况一样。
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但这里涉及金钱和利益，人们变得非常
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部落化。
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这让我非常惊讶和震惊。
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这让我感到非常难受，因为我无法理解，
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他们明明知道是我们构建了这项技术，
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却极力抹黑我们，这让我觉得非常难看。
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这让我对发生的事情感到非常难过。
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但分叉的事实实际上是，甚至现在回头看，
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But the fact that fork happened is actually, I mean, even now when I look back
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我认为，能够聚集志同道合的人围绕这个项目，
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他们成功地找到人才，改进这个项目，构建项目，
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推广这个项目和技术，这非常伟大。
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CryptoNote因为早期和后来的门罗币团队而闻名，
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门罗币经历了几代人。
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他们实际上做得很好，虽不完美，但很努力地推广这项技术
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和隐私理念。
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公平地说，这是少数真正社区驱动且无预挖的项目之一，
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我知道仅靠捐赠维持这样的项目很有挑战。
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因此，我非常尊重，并认为他们在打造隐私品牌、
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门罗币品牌和CryptoNote品牌方面做了很棒的工作。
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我认为这是一个复杂却精彩的故事。
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So at the same time, I have a lot of respect and I think it's a great job had
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been done to build this, the brand of privacy, brand of Manera and the crypto
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note and I think it's both a set story and the great story at the same time.
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When you're building something open source, you know, people can just lift the
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entire code base and create something new with it.
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That's part of the course.
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When Monero did that, do you feel any sort of annoyance or ill will toward them
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for doing that?
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Because perhaps you're not getting the credit you deserve.
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Great question.
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That's a great question.
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The thing is, inside the company, we had a lot of tension because we as a
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developer,
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the whole team, because I was not alone building the script and all those other
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guys.
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I was more like a lead developer by the time I launched, but there was other
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guys.
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Way more talented than I actually.
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And then we had quite a hard conversations with the management of the company
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because we didn't like what the direction it takes.
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And we tried to explain that there is a specific machinery, how open source
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works.
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And we're trying to explain that.
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If you launch it in a very stupid way, someone will take over the whole thing.
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They will relaunch, take the open source, take the technology, launch it in the
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way they like, the way they think it's fair.
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And the majority of the people will go to this new thing because that's what
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actually happened.
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And when it happened, I don't think people were surprised who are in the
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original team.
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But it's something that we kind of expected.
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And what I didn't like, what was really frustrating to me as after a couple of
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months that I started to work on my own project.
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It started in a very ugly confrontation between Manera, people who are leading
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Manera.
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Me, myself, as they know that I came from a regional bad coin team, it's turned
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into like it always happens on the internet.
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But that's here is also money involved and interest and people became very
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tribal.
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That's what really surprised me and really shocked me.
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That's what gave me a really bad taste because I was, I couldn't understand,
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they knew that we built this technology.
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But they tried to delegitimize us so hard, so it looked really ugly for me.
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This made me really sad feeling about what was happening.
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But the fact that fork happened is actually, I mean, even now when I look back
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to this history,
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I believe it's great that there was a people who managed to consolidate like-
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minded people around this project.
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They managed to find talent, to improve this project, to build this project, to
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promote this project, to promote this technology.
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A crypto note became known because Manera guys, early Manera guys and later Man
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era guys, there were a few generations of people there.
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They did actually great, not nice, but great job to promote this technology and
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promote ideas of privacy.
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It's, to be fair, it's one of very few actually community-driven projects with
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no pre-mind and I know it's very challenging to run projects like this based on
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donations only.
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So at the same time, I have a lot of respect and I think it's a great job had
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been done to build this, the brand of privacy, brand of Manera and the crypto
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note and I think it's both a set story and the great story at the same time.
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