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有一种战争时期CEO和平时CEO的说法，我觉得尤其是在
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加密领域，
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战争时期和平时之间有一种很好的交替，是的。你
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喜欢
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一切顺利的时候，还是喜欢那种
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绝对的最高优先级，
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如果你不在今天、本周或
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本月完成，
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一切都会完蛋的那种？你最喜欢周期中的哪一部分？
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你知道吗，我以前以为我更适合当和平时期的CEO，但我觉得
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那不是真的。
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实际上情况完全相反。我觉得一直都是战争时期，
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我实际上
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意识到我喜欢战争时期。这大概是过去十年里发生的变化，
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之前的五年，
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刚开始在Coinbase的时候，我觉得我有点回避冲突，
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我当时有点讨厌冲突，
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小心翼翼地走着，想着只要稳步建设就好，你知道，
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那段时间确实存在，
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但战争时期带来了真正的动力和紧迫感。
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我实际上
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认为竞争让我们公司更强。这绝对，我觉得非常
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振奋人心，
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也很激励人。但有时你也会气得不行，
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但其实
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非常有能量。有时候当没有任何冲突或战争的时候，
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我会有点无聊和疲倦，
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我就会想，啊，这样啊，没什么事儿发生，
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似乎一切都很平静，
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我倒是想要一场危机。有人可能会说你
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总是在
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皮质醇高涨中生活，这里面或许有点道理，但你知道，我也试图
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平衡这一点，
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比如我们说的运动，以及，你懂的，有一个
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晚上放松的仪式感，
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所以不是那种一直处于彻底的紧张状态，
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24小时“战斗或逃跑”状态，
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但我喜欢，我要澄清一下，我不是喜欢为冲突而冲突。
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我觉得那是破坏性的，
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但如果你看到一个真正需要解决的问题，
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一个需要拼命争取解决的，你懂的，
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如果你
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不站出来说些什么，那么我觉得你作为领导者就是失败的，
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是的，
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战争时期很棒，我实际上喜欢冲突。
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There's this idea of wartime CEO and peacetime CEO and I feel like especially
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in crypto,
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there's this nice oscillation of wartime peacetime, wartime peacetime. Yeah. Do
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you enjoy
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when everything is going well or do you enjoy kind of when there's something
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that is like this
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absolute top priority where if you don't get it done like today or this week or
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this month,
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everything's fucked. Like which part of the cycle do you enjoy the most?
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You know, I used to think that I was better as a peacetime CEO, but I think
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that's not true.
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It's actually totally flipped. I think it's wartime all the time and I actually
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realized that I like
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wartime. It took me that's probably a change that happened over the last 10
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years or something in
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the last the first five years of Coinbase where initially I think I was a
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little conflict diverse
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and I was just kind of like walking on eggshells and let's just build and you
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know that had a time
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in place, but there's a real sense of motivation and urgency that comes from
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wartime. I actually
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think competition makes us better as a company. It definitely, I find it very
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energizing and
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motivating. It can make you like really pissed in certain moments too, but it's
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actually like
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very energizing and sometimes when there isn't any kind of conflict or war
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going on,
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I get a little bored and tired. I'm just like, ah, like what's, you know, it
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seems like nothing's
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blowing up right now and I could use a good crisis. Now somebody might say you
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're just running on
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cortisol all the time and there could be an element of truth to that, but you
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know, I try to balance
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it with the things we talked about of like exercise and like, you know, have a
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wind down routine in
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the evening. So it's not just like burning yourself out like by literally being
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fight or flight like
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24/7, but I like, and I should clarify, I don't want to be like doing conflict
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for conflict sake.
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I think that that's just destructive, but if you see something that
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fear problem that needs to be solved, something that fight after like fight for
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. Yeah, like if you
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don't speak up and say something about it, like then your failing is a leader,
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I think. So yeah,
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war time is great. I actually, I love conflict.
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